Chicharito was caught by TV cameras yesterday not celebrating with his teammates after Marko Arnautovic’s late third goal which he assisted. The Mexican briefly lifted up his arm to celebrate his assist but then remained motionless as the others celebrated away from him.
Hernandez was also about to head straight down the tunnel when the final whistle blew before he was told to join his team mates to thank the 1,700 away West Ham fans who braved the cold and the rain to watch the Hammers on the south coast.
Last month Moyes denied he would have problems working with Hernandez again saying “He’s a top goalscorer, a brilliant finisher, It was difficult for him at United because I had Robin van Persie, Wayne Rooney, Danny Welbeck, Shinji Kagawa, so there was lots of competition. But he’ll be treated the same here – if he’s playing well and scoring, no problems. If he’s not, it will be the same as the rest.”
Hernandez has not played a full 90 minutes under Moyes since the Palace 2-2 draw in October. At the Liverpool loss, he was taken off after 72 minutes. For the league game against Arsenal, he came on at 82 minutes and managed another 11 more minutes at Stoke away. At the Newcastle game he had a bit part again coming on at 79 minutes while he came on at the 61-minute mark against Bournemouth.
Does Chicharito’s body language tell a bigger tale or is it just frustration at not starting?
At £16m transfer fee and £145,000 per week in wages you have to ask if we are getting the best from the Mexican striker?
Moyes clearly doesn’t rate him as he has started Ayew ahead of him in the last two games, when we have no recognised striker. He doesn’t seem to rate Sakho either so we face losing all three strikers in this window.
If he or Sakho are not picked ahead of Ayew for the home game with West Brom i can hear the sighs now,but it will probably be Antonio who gets the nod.Strikers seem to get thrown on when we are losing and chasing the game.
Picking ANY of our strikers ahead of Hernandez is plainly wrong and stupid.
moyes does not like hernandes or sako,he keeps playing antonio out of position then slags him of for not doing enough moyes has to shape up or clear off
I think he was told not to like Sahko tho he is our most rounded CF & I think he went in not keen on Chicharito. Don’t believe he started with ‘clean slates’ like he said.
Which until yesterday Chicharito was still our top scorer in PL & when played w 2 up front you see what he offers.
We will end up w just AC again.
I feel bad for Chicharito he was told he would be #1 striker etc had other offers when Bilic was here played out of position mostly not w Moyes playing 2 up front & Ayew & Antonio start ahead on him & are not strikers.
Antonio still is best on Right side.
Can’t underatnd why he isn’t haooy & would want to go w only 10m cameos.
And same for Sahko all the stick he gets but makes nothjgn compared to rest & wants to okay just hope we don’t sell him or swao to rival table team be bad decision.
Everyone knows Hernandez works better with a partner, play him with Sakho and you see sparks, ironically scoring goals isn’t an issue for us at present it is conceding them that is the problem, to arrest that problem we need some new defenders and midfielders, the team also seem to be committing two many players forward for set plays much as we did under Bilic meaning that we are susceptible to counter attack goals, for Moyes first few games we had more players back at least 3 most times and we were able to negate that but the last few games against supposed lower opposition there is often only one or two back and we have come under pressure that could have been avoided giving away fouls that have led to goals or other set plays which we haven’t defended well enough. I think we should look to be solid first and protect the clean sheet and exploit all teams high or low in the table on the counter attack, next season we can worry about being expansive this season is all about finishing 17th or higher.
I should say susceptible to counter attack from corners when we are looking to score.
Agree the few mins we have seen with Chic & Sahko they look good. Sahko creates for him & can finish.
I don’t believe Moyes started w ‘clean slates like he said.
And we have wanted fit strikers for years now we have 3 who all over something different & prob 2 of the 3 will go in Jan. Maybe all if they get right offers.
Think yesterday been perfect game for Chic & Sahko up front w Arnie behind & Lanzini in mid
How on earth AGONY gets the nod in front of Sakho is a mystery . By far our best goal scorer . Moyes has been told to get rid of him I am sure but it is a big mistake . Hernandez has nothing to offer the current game . He is lightweight and lazy and offers nothing to the “team ” . Great to have a skipper on the pitch at last . Collins has his limitations but he is head and shoulders the best leader in the club . Noble is history at last . He is not needed in any aspect of the game . He is a liability earning wages under false pretences . COYI
Noble has been outstanding lately and will go back on the team as soon as he’s fit.
Its Jan 1st coming up not April 1 st… Outstanding …you muppet . COYI
The poster who has never watched us speaks. Di**head.
To each his own opinion, but the truth is the third goal comes from Chicharito being where Masuak’us cross lands. Begovic cannot handle it and Arnautovic finishes the job. Chicharito has a go forward philosophy that would pay off, because he is also a one touch combination player. I saw him passing in one touch mode with Lanzini and Arnautovic a couple of times this season and it is a delight. These three understand each other, unlike Ayew who is ball and chain. Most of the premier league defences are strong, but slow. Just see the damage Masuaku did on the third goal. We need players with quick thinking like Arnie, Chicharito, Lanzini, Masuaku because they are the ones who can unlock defences with their technique and vision of the game.
Now, the question becomes, can the coaching staff use them to their strengths or not ?
As for Noble, I think that we have been doing much better in midfield with him than without him. He organises and directs players from his position and has been restraining from making these wild tackles he was making under Bilic (mainly because of frustration I think, seeing others weren’t fighting with guts). Noble is now covering a much bigger distance on the pitch. The stats are there and don’t lie. He is not fast, but he covers more distance and understands the game. Kouyate has been a massive e disappointment, Obiang blows hot and cold too much. That is why we need to strengthen the midfield area urgently. That is where the root of our disease is.
Arnie and Hernandez up front with Antonio on the right wing for me. Masuaku on the left.
Zab needs a little rest as the games have come thick and fast and his age is showing.
I’d actually drop Lanzini so that we can play Obiang, Rice and Noble as a solid midfield. If it’s against weaker opposition (there are not many weaker than us remember) then bring him back in for Rice. Reid, Ogbonna and Collins complete the line up.
Agree with most of that Master but wouldn’t drop Lanzini often he is our best linking player between defence and attack, although not Noble’s biggest fan have to admit he has been much improved under Moyes and been key in solidifying the midfield on present form he deserves his slot when he returns from injury although I still believe he needs a replacement and that we can make a big gain quality wise in his position.
If you look closely at the great teams, they all have a great number six. Here we go….
– Kante
– Casemiro
– Busquets
– Matic
– Khedira
– Matuidi
– Verratti
Remember how instrumental players such as Emmanuel Petit, Didier Dechamps, Dunga, Uli Stielike, Guardiola, Makelele, Van Haneghem, Edgar Davids, Gattuso, Pirlo, Roy Keane or Patrick Vieira were ?
Can we afford anybody with such a high profile ? no, but we need to concentrate our efforts on that position. Someone young ? Dendoncker. But there are others…
He doesn’t even have to be great! Good will do….But I agree we need one..
Chic cannot play the sole striker role, and Moyes won’t play two up front, so there is our problem.
Sakho wants out so time to let go and grant his wish. He is on a play bonus and the club don’t want to give it to him when he wants out which is a bit of a catch 22.
I agree we need a defensive midfielder more than anything else. We have nobody who is good at breaking up opposition attacks and then playing a forward pass. All sideways shyte which gives opposition time to reform.
We have no quality at full back either, so after a defensive midfielder, we need to address this. Playing three CB’s isn’t the answer as leaves two marking thin air and also leaves us short in midfield. We need to invest in developing a 4-4-2 so we can accommodate Chic and a second striker. That could be Arnie on current form.
So for me it’s Sakho, Ayew and Chek on their bikes. Zabba and Creswell can follow in the summer if we replace. Use the cash to add to the two-bob the dildos have given Moyes and target a number 6 followed by full backs. Shame Fonte is injured as he was starting to look good and I’d play him and Rice. Ogbonna one footed and Reid over-rated as loses his man all the time.
And I’m starting to agree that we have missed Noble of late, or at least we look more solid with him than without, and never thought I’d hear myself saying that! Probably more a reflection on how bad Chek is?