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Another one bites the dust

By Sean Whetstone

Another Premier League manager has bitten the dust in the form of Marco Silva as Everton become the latest club to sack their manager after a poor run of results.

Arsenal and Spurs have already done so while Watford hve fireda couple.

The modern flip flop football generation expects instant results and there appears to be no room for long term projects at football clubs anymore with many wanting it all and wanting it now with apologies to Queen.

Imagine if the same logic had applied to West Ham manager John Lyall. Would the Hammers have still won the FA Cup in 1980 or finished 3rd in the top flight of English football in 1986?

Lyall was appointed Hammers manager in 1975 but struggled early on and in 1976 went seven months without a league win!

In his second season in charge, he narrowly avoided relegation when West Ham finished 17th in the 1976/77 season at one point losing five games in a row.

In the modern game, he would have got the sack by the start of the 1977/1978 season but the club stood their manager.

In the 1977–78 season under Lyall’s management West Ham were relegated from the First Division after twenty years in the top flight.

The start of that season saw West Ham win just one of their first twelve games but again the club stuck by their manager and didn’t fire him.

After relegation, the board again stuck by Lyall again although he failed to gain promotion at the first attempt in the 1978/1979 finishing fifth.

Again the board stuck behind Lyall for another season and the 1979/1980 season he delivered an FA Cup win against Arsenal despite finishing seventh in the old division two and failing to gain win promotion again.

The following season in 1981 West Ham were promoted as Champions of division two after an absence of three years from top-flight football.

John Lyall went on to serve the Hammers for 15 years as their manager and is considered the most successful manager to date in the club’s history.

Just saying that quick fixes are not always the best option. Maybe Pellegrini should be given some time.

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About Sean Whetstone

I am Season Ticket Holder in West stand lower at the London Stadium and before that, I used to stand in the Sir Trevor Brooking Lower Row R seat 159 in the Boleyn Ground and in the Eighties I stood on the terraces of the old South Bank. I am a presenter on the West Ham Podcast called MooreThanJustaPodcast.co.uk. A Blogger on WestHamTillIdie.com a member of the West Ham Supporters Advisory Board (SAB), Founder of a Youtube channel called Mr West Ham Football at http://www.youtube.com/MrWestHamFootball, I am also the associate editor here at Claret and Hugh. Life Long singer of bubbles! Come on you Irons! Follow me at @Westhamfootball on twitter

9 comments on “Another one bites the dust

  1. Fine giving Pellegrini more time if we’re happy playing Wycombe on a regular basis ??

    • Good answer!

      Of course managers should generally be given more time.

      However, that pre-supposes that said managers are fit for purpose, in the first place.

      Unfortunately, in today’s’star-struck world, all too many said managers are selected for short-term gain rather than medium-long term development. They are hired for past successes in leagues (or cups!); nowhere near the requirements for Premier League STABILITY.

      Except for Poccetino, that applies to all of the recent departees, and especially Pellegrini who will hopefully soon join the list and, although he did win the PL, his players were handed to him.

      I would not ever consider hiring ANY coach or player who had chosen China.

      Listening to TalkSport at the moment, all the calls are from Arsenal fans who rightly complain that their players are not good enough; it would not matter who the coach was; their owners do not care a jot about Arsenal but, laughably, they have ONLY 2 players who can score a goal.

      If only!!!!

      Next Monday will be interesting because it will be THE clash of 2 teams, at least 3/4 full of players who are not good enough. Not good enough does not only mean technically, but the other prerequisites: willingness to compete, work hard for the team, have a desire to succeed.

      Unfortunately, as a businessmen FIRST, our owners should have stuck to the “industry” they know best and not meddled in one where they have only demonstrated they are very much out of their depth.

      We should not allow their repeated delusional choices to cloud the fact that they do not put money into anything for altruistic purposes.

  2. Don’t think paying someone 8 mil for managing a club in the championship would work in today’s world Sean ?

  3. Ridiculous comparison ! The cost to a relegated club would’ve been insignificant compared to today. Players leaving minimal and in those days attendance was a huge part of income so as long as fans kept coming and they did! The club didn’t suffer like today. Lyall was West Ham to the core which helped aswell as credit from Cup win 75 and ECWC final of 76 a run that included Upton Parks greatest ever night.aginst Eintracht Frankfurt. Pelli is more like the new Avram.

  4. We have a squad of players more than capable of a top 8 finish, I think we should give him until the end of the season and try for Bielsa at least he will instill passion and desire in the players. Antonio and Rice aside most of our team look a yard short of pace and always lower intensity than the teams they are playing every game.

  5. What’s your point?

    Different era, different pressures, different expectations, and different fortunes laid out for failure

    Why compare a manager from 40 years ago with the unmotivated scarecrow we’ve got now

    Utterly pointless comparison and a poor article

  6. Sean it was a lot different in them.days especially the financial pressure of the game today ..not that Iam offering that as an excuse.
    Those days managers /coaches were not changed at the alarming rate they are now..but in the current trend if it ain’t happening see yà on yà bike…Pellergrini ain’t taking us anywhere IMHO

  7. Dont knock wycombe, there ground is about half mile from my house lol be the nearest away game for me ever lol lol

  8. You forgot to add is that when we had a bad start to the 88/89 Season the fans were on the back of the team and Lyall virtually from the start. I can still hear the East Stand jeering Alan Dickens and shouting for Lyall to be sacked. Despite that the team still nearly turned it around; perhaps if some of our great supporters had supported they might have done.

    Personally I’m bored with the constant whinging about Pellegrini; just a short while ago he was the best manager we have ever appointed; he probably is, so let him get on with the job.

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