David Moyes remarkable turnaround at Everton has predictably had many pointing at West Ham fans, who have become the butt of jokes for the ‘be careful what you wish for’ crew.
Moysie picked up another good win against Crystal Palace today, which was all the more impressive given the Toffees’ midweek heroics against Liverpool.
The Scotsman deserves a big pat on the back, but the reaction towards West Ham has been smug, to say the least (although not from Moyes himself, it has to be said).
With many revelling in the fact that Everton now sit above West Ham, it has added an extra layer of pressure to a situation which sees our club in 16th place in the Premier Leagueâprecisely where we deserve to be.
Make no mistake about it, West Ham have been one of the worst teams in the top division for over twelve months, and Moyes played his part in that.
Moyes and Lopetegui struggled during the past year
Was the problem West Ham rather than Moyes?
There is probably some truth in the fact that there is something very dysfunctional at the club, which has seen Moyes and Julen Lopetegui struggle whilst a power battle seems to be an undercurrent behind the scenes.
But make no mistake about it, the version of Moyes currently thriving at Goodison alongside his tactical right-hand man Alan Irvine is very different to the broken, lonely man who served out the final six months at the London Stadium.
Perhaps the Scotsman was undermined by the toxic atmosphere behind the scenes and the interference of Tim Steidten. Moyes was never the same after Irvine left the club, followed by set-piece coach Paul Nevin and Mark Warburton.
Warburton said that he had to leave the Hammers’ backroom team for the sake of preserving his friendship with Moyes, so it was far from a happy ship in ‘camp Moyesie’.
It’s too easy to look at what Moyes is doing at Everton and assume he’d have done the same had he remained in East London, but I don’t believe that is the case.
Moyes is a very different animal with Irvine alongside him, and the pair have a Clough/Taylor understanding. I suspect if he’d taken Irvine to Old Trafford with him rather than Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden and Phil Neville, he’d have done a little better as Alex Ferguson’s replacement, but we’ll never know.
For the time being, we’ll just have to accept that West Ham have very quickly become second best to Everton, and we’ll probably not hear the last of it. Two weeks ago on TalkSport, somebody mentioned Charlton fans regretting forcing Alan Curbishley out, and that was 19 years ago, so we’ve got a while to go yet.
Not at all. Moyes is the main reason I stopped going in December 2023.
Contract ended, time was up, we all had to move on.
Look Moyse was failing at West Ham, not because he’s a bad manager but because the appointment had just run it’s time.For me Loppy is the failure here and left us in a worse mess than Moyse did! Moyse left us with a slow aging squad and Loppy brought in some more aging stars. Simple As That!! If you need to point at what’s wrong it’s got to be Sulivan. Loppy was his pick and don’t tell me he didn’t signed off on all those aging players.
We need to be run more like a modern club and less like being run by dinosaurs. Moyes being a dinosaur himself so a part of that same problem. Moyes was quite capable of saying things like bring in Maguire he’s the man, or bid on Gyokeres nah I don’t fancy him, or even bring in nobody we’ll manage short handed…
If anyone can look past an awful 18 months incl. a dire European campaign that ended in an undeserved last minute winner, theyâd see a steady decline and overuse of an aging squad with a predictable shape being battered week in week out. Moyes without Irvine is simply lost.
Dire European campaign? Undeserved winner? Mate I donât know what team you support but itâs not mine.
Letâs not forget Everton fans didnât want him to return!
Itâs been said all before, Moyes won us a trophy and when he was interested we did well with top ten finishes. He became predicable and poor managers exploited this fact and Moyes was unable to change his system blindly playing the same players in a system that didnât workâŚ..at best that was embarrassing!
Letâs for get about DM he is history, I do wish home well but we are West Ham not an Everton FC or DM page. Letâs see where we are next season, we will remain in the PL because the bottom three really are that poor but with the right support and the right money spent we will be a top ten club in the very near future. My only wish is that Sullivan and his current board are not here much longerâŚ..they are the hindrance in this club.
Some great comments here.and most of them i agree with.
Do i think letting Moyes go was a big mistake…….NO!
A few of my mates are true evertonions and whilst they are currently loving his return because of the upturn in performance and results and the ability to slag me off, they know long term it wonât be good because he will play the same side week in week out, same style same substations and other sides will work it out. Thatâs why they wanted shot of him the first time and never clamoured for his return.
Moyes has a decent amount of dignity and donât think would publicly laugh at our current position. But I do think if he at stayed in charge of us we wouldnât be in the bottom 5 would have been in the bottom 3
I feel that Moyes has always been respectful towards West Ham. The only member of the coaching staff who openly criticized him was Mark Warburton (correct me if I am wrong but he has hardly torn up trees recently).
However West Ham were poor for a lot longer than the last six months of his reign – the year that we won the Conference League we actually were fighting relegation.
There were also poor transfer decisions made over a long period of time – Vlasic, Alex Kral and others – it is surprising that in the modern era Moyes didn’t play Thilo Kehrer in his favorite central defensive position due to his lack of height
There are other questions relating to West Ham – if Steidten was such a genius why did Leverkeusen allow him to leave etc
For better or for worse Moyes is now the Everton manager – since he has shown us respect, let us do the same to him
Graham Potter is now our manager – let us get behind him and not waste our energy on the “careful what you wish for” crowd
We can only guess what has gone/goes on behind closed doors at West Ham, but we do know enough to know that when good players play like crap there is usually only one reason, and it isn’t because everyone is happy. Whatever it is, the fans deserve for things to settle down and for the club to start moving forward again. Again, we will know when that happens and we will enjoy it. Meanwhile, good luck to Moyes, enjoy it while it lasts and beware the Ides of March.
Moyes was a great manager for us but the West Ham social media influencers wanted him out and so did the board. After undermining Moyes and bringing in Steidten I think Moyes heart was no longer in it. His last six months it was obvious. Half the fanbase turned and the crowd wasnât behind him the last six months. He was destined to leave us. Iâm sure heâs happier now at his spiritual home in Everton. Good luck to the bloke. Heâs had an amazing start at Everton, completely transformed them but who knows how long it will last. Iâm ok with Potter but he needs to start putting some points on the board pretty soon if he doesnât want the West Ham fans to turn on him.
Oh, and what would we give to finish 9th this season!
I know C&H is very biased against Moyes and the ‘be careful what you wish for’ crew but West Ham got rid of their most successful manager of recent times and the first to win a trophy for 40 years, after one disappointing season. Yes I know the second half wasn’t pretty but it was always going to take some adjusting post-Rice. Plus Steidten seemed to have a toxic influence. Many Irons fans have this grass-is-always-greener fantasy. Sorry, but staying in the PL and winning trophies is more important than ‘the West Ham way’. I wish Potter every success but isn’t it time to admit that yes, getting rid of DM maybe was moronic, and we are getting what we deserve.
Deluded
Hi Jeremy, have you forgotten how we got battered on a regular basis under Moyes? Do you remember the dreadful 10 men at the back no one in attack tactics? Do you remember we let in over 70 goals under your man? Do you remember the way he left players out in the cold? He won us a trophy and for that he will always be remembered but letâs not rewrite history here
Here here
Moyes has inherited two exceptionally good centre backs, one very experienced and previously converted by Moyes and Braithwaite, who will over time become an elite international. The rest are hard working with a dash of flair hear and there so doesn’t need to do much and he was always a better coach with a fellow Scotsman as his No 2. Good luck to him and Everton for the rest of the season. As for the Hammers to many overrated and overpriced prima donor’s who are simply out of their depth and that’s down to a couple of clowns, Sullivan and Steidten, the blind leading the blind.
West Ham, Spurs, Utd, and Everton seem to go from one disaster to another, Villa were the same until they took a chance on Emery and then everything clicked. What really grinds my gears is the way teams like Bournemouth and Brighton keep signing brilliant managers and players, and do it on a tight budget.
Have a look at how much that âtiny budgetâ is; it might not grind so much
Tight and tiny are not necessarily the same thing.
People forget he turned down a new contract, we also didn’t sack him despite there being runs of games and even full half’s of a season we were absolutely terrible a lot of managers would have been sacked.
His record without Irvine was crap and he was also terrible in the transfermarket. Wait until he starts spending money and they get worse.
As for us we are about to undergo a massive rebuild in the summer, problem is Sullivan and the board got us into this mess and I don’t trust them to get us out of it one bit.
We could go get the best DOF in football and they would struggle under our board.
He did well at Everton when he was first in charge. He signed the likes of Cahill, Arteta, Coleman, and Baines for buttons.
You lot at West Ham need a good talking to !
You brought in Tim Steidten who brought in a load of rubbish. David Moyes never wanted him there !
You have lost a great manager in Moyes and you’ve now got the appropriate name Potter ha ha ha good luck hammers !!!