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Has Nobes nailed it? Is the best Irons squad ever?

 

CandH blogger Allen Cummngs rolling back the years to find that best ever squad

 

Mark Noble made a bold statement in his London Evening Standard column last Friday – ironically just 24 hours before our disappointing defeat at the hands of Crystal Palace.

Commenting on Martin ‘Mad Dog’ Allen’s claim that the current team is the best he’s seen, Nobes said: “That’s quite a statement. The best team? Only time will tell.” But he was keen to add: “This, as an overall squad, is definitely the best since I started out in the first team 15 years ago.”

There’s no doubt the skipper is in the best place to judge. It’s likely he’s talking about not just what we see on the pitch, but the wider picture including what we don’t see off it. The atmosphere behind the scenes. The camaraderie – the experience in the dressing room – the togetherness between the players – the ability of players to get on.

All vital ingredients of a strong, happy and successful squad. Of course the players’ ability is paramount to any success, but good players at odds with each other, which isn’t unknown, doesn’t make for an effective squad.

There is no doubt Manuel Pellegrini’s first 11 features top quality players from front to back. These days of course supplementing the first 11 there are no fewer than seven others sat on the bench, plus a few others, usually promising youngsters, on the periphery, so any talk about a ‘squad’ covers a lot of people.

The strength and depth has to go a lot further than ever before. It’s certainly the most expensive squad any West Ham manager has had at his disposal. Snodgrass, Masuaku, Balbuena, Ajeti, Fornals and Wilshere are all players who would surely be welcomed in at least half the teams in the Premier League.

Then we have Antonio and Reid currently out with injury, whilst exciting youngsters in the shape of Holland, Cardosa and Coventry are waiting in the wings.

Since making his debut as a 17 year old in the 2004-05 season Noble has been a member of numerous West Ham squads – but probably the most recent and obvious one to compare with would be the 2015-16 squad.

Payet was clearly the stand-out player, Kouyate, Reid, Antonio and Cresswell featured highly, plus Mark himself, of course – but as a complete squad it had gaps filled by what many considered average players.

So what about before Nobes? The squad that featured future stars like Defoe, Carrick, Cole and Johnson was full of ‘potential’ but as Mark pointed out: “Agreed they were all fantastic players who came through the acadamy…but we got relegated and they were sold.”

The boys of 86 also spring to mind. The McAvennie/Cottee partnership was phenomenal. Parksy was a rock in goal, Stewart, Martin and Gale were excellent in defence while Alan Devonshire, maybe not as effective as in his heyday, was still a fine player.

A formidable team that got lucky with no fewer than nine players making 38 or more appearances in the season, which meant the true depth of the squad wasn’t really tested. The FA Cup winning side of the 80’s picked up silverware, but that team were a Division Two side – more effective and efficient rather than outstanding. The same can be said about the 1975 cup winners. Lampard, Bonds and Brooking the stand-out members, supplemented by good, solid performers, but probably not out of the top draw.

Going back even further to the wonderful 60’s – the Moore, Hurst and Peters era. A world class trio in their own right, ably assisted by the great Johnny Byrne and emerging youngster like Sissons, Burkett and Boyce, and topped up by solid pros in the shape of Brabrook, Bovington and Standen. Subs not introduced until the 65/66 season – and even then only rarely used. So really not a ‘squad’ to compare in the sense of the word today.

So personally I think Nobes has got a fair point. For sheer ‘depth’ I believe the players Pellegrini has at his disposal at the moment goes beyond what any previous West Ham manager has enjoyed! Just how good it is will be, as the skipper says, only judged in time!

 

About Hugh5outhon1895

Hugh Southon is a lifelong Iron and the founding editor of ClaretandHugh. He is a national newspaper journalist of many years experience and was Bobby Moore's 'ghost' writer during the great man's lifetime. He describes ClaretandHugh as "the Hammers daily newspaper!" Follow on Twitter @hughsouthon

5 comments on “Has Nobes nailed it? Is the best Irons squad ever?

  1. This will cause big debate, but the 85/86 team ( squad) were miles ahead of the current squad.
    I have only ever once turned up in a season and expected to win every game.
    I have very rarely enjoyed such an attacking team at West Ham a that team.
    Back then there was only one maybe two subs so squads were not as big anyway.
    We still missed key players like Goddard throughout the season then, but they were electric to watch and I can’t say that about a West Ham team since.
    Can’t talk previous to that as my first season of going was 81, the rest is from what my dad told me.

  2. Definitely not the best squad ever 85/86 squad hands down was better,probably one of the thinnest squads ever at the moment due to the chairmans lack of investment yet again

    • Fair comment Peter. As stated the boys of ’86 were a fine team – that got lucky with injuries so the ‘squad’ wasn’t really tested. Don’t really understand the question mark over investment. As a club we have never spent so freely. Opinions on players purchased will always vary – but we can’t complain about what has been handed to MP. Far more than numerous other managers before – or elsewhere.

  3. Not sure you can make valid comparisons over time now that squads are bigger. The sort of squad Man C have would have just not been possible. Clubs who were lucky with injuries would play the same 11 to 16 players in all competitions-no rotation! Some of the old pros played a frightening number of games. Within the modern period Noble may be right, but he was right to qualify that with ‘time will tell’. There are still a lot of unanswered questions regarding this squad & I think it will be well into the season before we can begin to answer them.

  4. I remember the 86 team with claret-tinted glasses. Amazing season, still in contention for the league going into the last weekend! However, we were very fortunate with so few injuries that year. If we are as lucky again, we could challenge top four (outside chance at best). It’s true we have good players on the bench, but most of them are midfielders/wingers. What happens if/when we get injuries to Diop, Rice, Haller? I love watching the current team but it doesn’t look like a balanced squad overall to me (not the owners’ fault this time). Then again, when have we ever really had true strength in depth?..

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