The finances of the Andy Carroll situation is exercising many minds inside West Ham right now.
With three years left on his contract and the never ending injury issues seemingly as bad – and perhaps worse – than they ever have been, one wonders where this chapter of issues can ever end.
We have said many times: “We have never needed him more than now” and yet here we are with an £80k plus a week striker still unable to give, or be given, any idea when he will be back in action and the medics merely declare: “He has some bridges to cross!”
We had a chat with several insiders at the club today and to say they are “frustrated” would be far too mild a word – desperation and near anger would be closer to the truth.
Whatever one’s view of the player the fact remains that in real terms he is rarely available and regular bulletins about his proposed return invaribly prove themselves some way short of accurate.
We were told: “Andy is not a player with whom it’s possible to take any chances. We need to be 100 pc certain he is okay to resume in case we worsen the situation.”
Andy is picking up around £3.6 million a year so unless an unlikely scenario arises he could still be here at the age of 30 having gathered in another £10.8 million with no certainty he will play too many games.
Some have suggested he is being kept in mothballs ahead of a January move but as was explained to us this morning: “He needs to be playing over a reasonable period of time to have any value and it’s not happening right now.”
And the additional problem is that were a club to come for him at any stage it’s unlikely more than £8 millon max would be on the table with a wage offer of between £40k – £50k…well shy of his current pay levels.
And that raises the obvious question – Why would he leave?
The Irons look to have a real problem on their hands and all we can do it seems is pray that somehow, somewhere, sometime, somebody will get to the bottom of these dreadful injury problems which are costing him his career and the Hammers an awful lot of money.
And by the way nobody is making any judgement of him at all – merely reporting some facts which would be a problem anywhere anytime.
I can’t believe he has 3 years left on his contract what was the length of it ? I always thought he had signed a 4 year contract but I guess it was a 6 or 7 year one ? If any desperate clubs come in for him in January would probably be best to take the money and get him off the wage bill, lets hope Allardyce gets the Sunderland job and can talk him into playing for the enemy or Rafa wants to take him back to the Toon.
Yes it was a 6 year contract No32.This is season number 4 of 6!
I think you have to be a bit of a plonker as a fan to beleve the Carroll saga isnt a major problem.Either that or you have your head buried in the sand or buried up your own backside!!
20 odd goals in 4 seasons, countless injuries and there are those still defending him? He’s another Keiron Dyer on stupid wages nothing more, sooner some realise that we’re lumbered with another dud who no doubt will be paid off eventually by the club the better.. Joke of a signing
Yeah & as usual many of the fans who popped at us for calling him a dud for the last two seasons are now all wanting to get shot of him GW lool
Surprised there talking football Rick it’s usually Brexit, the board, the toxic atmosphere or what topping on a pizza 🙂
No they are ok tonight.An article on the LS so they can all start whinging about the place again after a few weeks break.You know they are never more content than when they can moan about the ground lool
There aint many left on there is there.Any fan with any positivity has done a runner or are having the last bit of positivity drained out of them Lol
Yep it seems the continual moaning about the board,brady & the new ground from them has made most other users run for the hills.What a shame 😀
He is an albatross around the clubs neck.Sorry but in my opinion he is.I have been saying it for two years now that he is a liability & all this “he gives 100% on the pitch” get out clause by fans to justify him being at the club is even more of a joke.
The sooner the board & club stop having to rely on him as our big money,he will be back soon striker the better.It will benefit the club going forward big time im sure
The trouble is unless he retires how the bloody hell do we get rid of him.I cant see how,not even at a car boot sale at the moment 🙂
We are stuck with him i think Rad.Who would sign him,what manager would put their head on the block by signing him for any decent fee or high wages.
They just wouldnt risk it i dont believe.
real shame that the owners still haven’t managed to bring in a better striker than Andy Carroll after all these years but the fact remains that when he is fit he is still our best option. So if you’re going to get rid of him then you need to replace him with as good or better.
Yes and to think there were still voices pre season talking of his injury problems hopefully being behind him. There is faith and there is delusion and with 3 years left how the hell do we get rid for more than about 6 or 7mill, and I’m not sure that is anything less than the latter to expect a buyer to bite, after all it’s usually us who buy such players and he is hardly to be seen working diligently to change his lifestyle. Maybe Newcastle newly promoted might take the risk, we can only hope. Worse still we still haven’t found a potential replacement to allow us to do so as yet anyway.
We are stuck with him the way i see it.No one will buy him unless he gets a run of games to prove fitness.But that hever happens.
They only way to get rid & be able to free up funds for another players wages is for us to loan him out,abroad maybe & they pick up the majority of his wages.
I cant even see that happening though unfortunately 🙁
This guy drives me mad, all that about never been fitter after a full pre-season & ends up playing next to no minutes yet again & is out until Xmas. £80k aweek is a joke & all the club can do to get shot of him. Why the hell was he given such a long contract after that loan season?? Aahhh
Time to cut our losses, he has made the Club look a complete Joke!
Have a read of the Telegraph article dated 10th Jan 2015 ‘Andy Carroll has cost West Ham over £45 million’. Signed on a six year deal by the same agent as Allardyce – Mark Curtis. Let’s draw our own conclusions.
I remember reading it before Robbie.I dont know if its too wise to sign any player on 80 grand a week over 6 years.Carroll is proving why its a dangerous thing to do lool
Think we are all violently agreeing that Carroll doesn’t offer value for money, but at the same time nobody is going to take a punt on him. So where does that leave us? At £3.6m wages a year, and as close as damn it 3 years remaining, we’ve got to shed out another £11m. That’s madness and probably far more than his current (realistic) transfer value. So is the unthinkable now not only thinkable but the right option, and sell at a huge loss? I dunno – I fear if we did then he would suddenly return to fitness and score a few.
We are stuck with quite a lot of bad players at the moment that are going to be around at least this year,
We need to start now planning how we can get the forwards we need next season,
Samulsun will take Tores place no problem
Fletcher and Martinez will be a year closer,
Sak could turn things around,
That leaves Zaza,AC and Calleri,at the moment I would bite the bullet and ditch them all at what ever cost,
The wage savings are worth it alone,
Send the scouts out and bring in at least 2 good players to blend with all the talent we have,
No need to spend silly money,
At the moment I’d take a Twix and warm can of shandy Bass for him. Bite the bullet and pay him off, as I can’t see anyone wanting to sign him on those wages and as Hugh says why would he take a cut when he can rake it in under false pretences whilst still with us. That’d free up £80k per week and would go a long way to solving the FFP dilemma that SuGo are always banging on about come January’s window (if there’s anyone available, which I know is doubtful).
God, how I wish we went for Chicarito!
GET RID PAY HIM OFF it has to be cheaper then keeping him never mind the 80k a week what about the medical bills
It must be getting towards the time where decisions have to be made.He is only just over half way through this 6 year contract.Are the club just going to sit back & have another two full seasons of this farce?!?!?
But he’s unplayable and unique on his day Tone according to wor Andy’s Internet fan club which you can find at http://www.andycandonowrong.com 🙂
I know someone on the sister site who would join that.He thinks Wor Andy has diamond encrusted balls i think Lol
On his day he can be unplayable so they’ve a point. What they’re missing is its a handful of days a year and that ain’t acceptable, especially at £3.6m a year. So no value for money there. Bit like owning a Ferrari with glass bodywork. You’re too scared to drive the bloody thing for fear it will brake into pieces! And the cost of servicing it is a joke.
Just realised I’ve compared AC with a Ferrari. I withdraw that comment before Matte comes after me! Sorry.
Perhaps Lotus would have been a better comparison – Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious.
Sorry mate was just being overly optimistic more likely to see the ghost of shergar winning the Derby again than Andy going a day without a pint or getting injured by a stray mushroom falling of his pizza:)
Are we lining up for a breach if contract relating to his recent night out?!
I wish pablo.Find any way of this fiasco please lmao
Perversely, I hope not Pablo, as we’d probably have to bin Gandalf as well.
Looks like the phantom deleter has struck again GW!
I wonder in which language TVR is a curse?
I’ve never seen a 6 years contract… I mean, we are not talking about Messi or Ronaldo, we are talking about a man who will have an orthopadeic ward named after him… lool 😀
Yeah but at least somebody purchased them!
AC is unplayable & has been for the majority of the time he has been at the club. That’s the bĺoody problem though.. we can’t ****ing play him, useless lump. If we have to pay him off for about £10m we might as well fork out £11m in wages & at the end of his contract let him go for fk all. At least we might get some return for the money
As soon as the phantom deleter gets busy on here all the replys go ass about face.Its a bloody nightmare.The go all over the bloody place lol
Agreed Rads, although you probably won’t see this reply until next Tuesday.
Hahaha no i can see it but i bet this reply will probably be somewhere totally different Condor.Blame GW,it was his deleted post caused this mayhem 🙂
Careful Rads, I think mayhem translates to ‘ladies front bottom’ in Swahili. Oh, and another one of yours bites the dust. Just when did Mumsnet purchase this site?
Yeah i noticed.Its a bloody joke.Soon we will be handed out halos lol
Lol what’s going on at this site? If I want to reply to a message my post goes to the bottom of the page… the Big Brother needs a rest… lol 😉
Yeah i know.Its because they are getting so busy deleting things Matte.The problem is it sends comments everwhere.
Its all your fault Matte introducing your foreign lingo to all of us and corrupting our fragile Neanderthal minds lol 🙂
Yeah dont dare right the Matte F word even with an * in it.Your bloody post gets deleted lol
What a load of testicles 🙂
Yeah it is the 6-9-7-1 now lol
Lol… it’s not my fault GW, that’s the power of the €!9@… lool 😉
Whos moderating this site these days the nuns of St.Cecilias Lol
Tell me about it Tone its getting on my nerves trying to read comments that are all out of sync because of some pretty inoffensive posts being deleted..pffff
This is becoming very confusing trying to understand what is going on here tonight
Yeah i know essex,its because big brother keeps on deleting comments which puts everything out of order.Its a pain in the ****
Why, what & who??
Too many to remember mate.GW,Rads,jimbo,Matte.I think they have all had posts deleted lool most for very little reason from what i read of them when they were still on here.Big Brother gone mad.We are football supporting men not choir boys.
Oh right… that explains it then……??? Think i’ll give up & ģo to bed
I can’t make any sense about this thread, by the sound of it Hugh’s been busy deleting the swearers and insulters and the gist of the thread has been lost.
Why is there posts with earlier times after my last last post?
Probably ‘orphans’ from deleted posts – maybe Hugh needs a rethink!
I was reading it lastnight,it got more & more confusing as the night went on & most of what was deleted was harmless & any swear words had been filtered to asterisks anyway.
It is messing the whole thread up with this deleting.
Stop it please whoever is doing it…..