Claret and Hugh gets kick up backside
Claret and Hugh was given a kick up the backside on its forum today. Whilst the vast majority want to the manager gone, one or our followers, Jeremy D, made his own point about our position.
Claret and Hugh gets kick up backside
And in order to point out to the pro-Moyes lobby and the manager himself we are not unhappy to take criticism until it becomes abuse here’s what Jeremy had to say.
“I know C&H has a deep grudge against DM and must feel validated by the current situation. I also know the current situation is not great.
But the big picture – league position and Europe – isn’t bad. All teams have ups and downs. I’d put money on the fact that we will turn a corner, suddenly win a few games and C&H will reluctantly have to eat its words.”
I know you don’t like this phrase, but be careful what you wish for.”
In response we would say that the current position isn’t great given we have not win this year, there are some very big teams in Europe and we never do anything reluctantly – criticise or eat our words.
As for being careful what we wish for, we dislike it because it has been used so many times it is now a cliche.
Is it not the time of year to call on Big Sam as an interim manager or should i be careful what i wish for
I think ‘ what we wish for’ is to come to LS and enjoy a good entertaining game of football and hopefully most of the time, win given the players we have now and at the very least compete. That has not been the case for a long time now and yes we got the European Conference win, but the league stuff was dour.
It’s not all about winning with us, cast collective minds back to March 1981 (and I can) when we were totally outplayed by Dinamo Tiblisi in the quarter final of the ECWC losing 1-4 and the whole crowd stood and applauded the opposition for their brilliant football on the night.
We can and do appreciate good football and we haven’t seen anywhere near enough of it in recent times. That in the main is down to Mr Moyes. These are not just ups and downs, we are being taken apart and it is not a good watch
Well said. I was there and Tiblisi were simply brilliant. I remember Frank Lampard couldn’t even foul their winger when swung his leg at him. They were gobsmacked with the applause but deserved it. And the fans showed their class. That is The West Ham Way. Not this. And that is why we should not be lectured.
I would agree with what you have to say about David Moyes… apart from the fact that it is completely wrong. The Moyes’s Myth is made up of two parts: firstly that he is a good manager… or as he would have it, West Ham’s most successful manager. Secondly that if he is not a good manager we should still be careful about wanting him gone because we might get someone that is worse. Well, clearly by any objective standard he is not West Ham’s most successful manager… we have tasted success before with European Cup Winners Cup and FA Cup wins and boys of 85/86 were one game away from winning the league. The rest then is sophistry: when we do well, it is because of David Moyes and we shouldn’t care too much about how badly the team is playing. When we loose however, every team has its up and downs and we shouldn’t be so short sighted as to not recognise this. Well, that is just not the case. Every team does not have its ups and downs. Some teams are very consistent and others are not. Now, does a team win all the time? No they don’t. But a good team seldom looses consecutive games… and over the course of a season it is quite easy to see why Liverpool or Man City are champions and Sheffield United are not. If you have a dice and you throw it repeatedly, a good manager like Guadiola might have four sixes on his dice. He will throw more sixes on average than other managers. Jurgen Klopp will probably have four sixes on his dice too, Ange Postacoglou might have three… David Moyes should have three but in fact has only one. Early part of the season he threw a lot of sixes from this bad dice however and everyone said ‘Never mind how bad the football is… look at the results’ But he got lucky. Now he is throwing fewer sixes and we are supposed to believe that this because he is being unlucky and everything will work out… but he isn’t and it won’t. We are performing as is to be expected with him as manager and over the course of the season we will finish below Newcastle, Brighton and Aston Villa without even considering Chelsea and Man Utd who started the season so badly and have played so poorly, but will still out perform us. No, David Moyes is not a good manager. He is not even an average manager. He is poor manager, a bad man manager (how many players have been abject failures under him but have on to do well elsewhere?) a limited tactician (we have a great conversion rate of goals from corners but play so defensively we are not set up to win corners and free kicks). He has demotivated players, burnt a limited group of his favourites whilst failing to advance any from the best youth team in the league. He does not use substitutes, is tactically inflexible and to add insult to injury, feels that he can confront the fans. I can not see a single argument in favour of Moyes… apart from ‘Be careful… we are only West Ham’. No. Not that is just good enough, I’m afraid.